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Craps Pass Line Bet

I play at a casino that allows 100X odds. Is it better to try to maximize the pass line odds or make new come bets on every roll and back them up with odds?

The rules for the point remain identical also in this case, always considering that this bet is opposite to that of the Pass Line. After the Pass Line Bet, we can place a bet on the Come Bet or on the Don't Come Bet, and there are many other bets available for this table. Betting the Pass Line. Do's and Don'ts of the Pass line Bet When betting right (Do, DEWEY or With the Shooter), the player makes a bet before the first roll of the dice (Coming Out) that the shooter will either roll a 7 or 11, or roll any number but a 2, 3, or 12. You don't always have to bet on 'red' on roulette, and you don't always have to play the Pass Line in craps. But in reality whichever side you want to play it's practically the same. I personally like to play a line bet + 2 more (either Come or DC) with odds, but craps is a game you can play 100 different negative ways =P. I saw a strategy on YouTube that requires betting on the pass line and don't pass on the come out roll and then laying odds on don't pass when the point is set. I couldn't place a bet on the pass line and don't pass on the come out roll on the Aruze machine last night. It would only let me choose one or the other.

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It depends on what you consider 'better,' minimizing expected loss or lessening the volitility to your bankroll.
'You don't bring a bone saw to a negotiation.' - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
odiousgambit
Do not exceed a bet size that you are not comfortable with just in order to max the odds. Take the size bet you like and maximize the odds portion. Two different concepts, one makes sense, the other can become crazy.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: 'Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!' She is, after all, stone deaf. .. Arnold Snyder
100xOdds

I play at a casino that allows 100X odds. Is it better to try to maximize the pass line odds or make new come bets on every roll and back them up with odds?


Craps Rules Pass Line Bet
math says betting max odds before adding a come bet is better.
for me, I like action. I plan my bankroll for 6 come bets with whatever odds my bankroll dictates.
I start with 3 point Betty. then add come bets till it's continuous come if I'm hitting.
then increase odds if not maxxed. if maxxed, then increase flat bet + odds.
basically, whichever you're having the most fun with.
btw- where/which casino is this?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
kg1980

math says betting max odds before adding a come bet is better.
for me, I like action. I plan my bankroll for 6 come bets with whatever odds my bankroll dictates.
I start with 3 point Betty. then add come bets till it's continuous come if I'm hitting.
then increase odds if not maxxed. if maxxed, then increase flat bet + odds.
basically, whichever you're having the most fun with.
btw- where/which casino is this?


This is at Rivers Casino outside Chicago by Ohare airport. The minimum bets are a bit high $15-$25. So maximizing the odds is not really an option for my bankroll. So it sounds like backing up the Pass line with as much odds as you can afford is the best strategy, but placing come bets might be more fun.
Romes

This is at Rivers Casino outside Chicago by Ohare airport. The minimum bets are a bit high $15-$25. So maximizing the odds is not really an option for my bankroll. So it sounds like backing up the Pass line with as much odds as you can afford is the best strategy, but placing come bets might be more fun.

No Pass Line Craps

'Technically' since the Don't Pass has a smaller house edge (1.36% vs Pass 1.41%) it's 'best' to do the Don't Pass with as much odds as you're comfortable with.. =). You don't always have to bet on 'red' on roulette, and you don't always have to play the Pass Line in craps. But in reality whichever side you want to play it's practically the same. I personally like to play a line bet + 2 more (either Come or DC) with odds, but craps is a game you can play 100 different negative ways =P.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
WatchMeWin
Playing for a long period of time is certainly a negative EV in craps an all other table games except card counting in bj. Playing the pass line is not a good bet in my opinion.. stacking large odds behind is the casino's way to lure you into a losing bet. You will have to make a number twice before a 7, which probabilities are not in your favor. If you want to put large bets on a roll of the dice you can just put that same amount on a place bet and take it down any time you like. That is your edge. sure you will get paid a tad bit less, but at least you have the control as to when you want to stop working. 6/5 rather than 7/6 on the 6 n 8 is hardly a difference maker.. especially when it is more improbable of an outcome.. same with the 4,5,9, n 10.
If everyone would just play the numbers and walk away after they hit 2 boxes.. the casinos would not be as profitable. but 99% of gamblers at the casinos have unrealistic expectations and can't / don't leave once they have a small profit. Everyone wants that 5000% return.. not happening consistently, frequently, nor realistically . Hit n run is the way to walk away a winner.
kg1980
I agree with the walking way part. Place bets however have much worse odds than an odds bet even if it is a 3-5X odds. Maybe I am wrong. It does sound more fun than waiting for the point number to hit
pwcrabb
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When played without Odds, both Pass and Come suffer a disadvantage of 1.414141.. percent. Because they are close approximations of a coin toss, the variance on both Pass and Come is similarly low. Therefore, if you played 'naked' with only relatively small bets on Pass and Come, every single roll, then you could play for a very long time and go approximately nowhere.
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Craps rules pass line betting

In contrast, Odds bets have a higher variance. Increasing the Odds portion of your total game will increase the total variance as well. At very high Odds multiples, the variance will be very high as well, despite the negligible house advantage of the combined bets.
There are very good theoretical reasons for playing simply Single Odds. You take a significant bite out of the overall casino advantage, dropping it from 1.41 percent to 0.86 percent. Your variance increases but not as drastically as at higher Odds multiples. Most importantly, at Single Odds your expected revenue profile for each of the possible numbers will closely reflect the probability distribution of those numbers. In short, the expected relative revenue contribution from the Naturals will be neither understated nor overstated.
At Single Odds, your expected exposure per Flat bet increases from one unit to 1.67 units, so keep your unit size small relative to your table stake. As a rule of thumb, you will be safe from variance risk if your Flat bets are one percent of your table stake. At three percent, you are pushing the envelope. At five percent, you had better be lucky quickly.
'I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.' Fitz-James O'Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)
jmills
That's great advice. I'll just add that if you go to the Horseshoe in Hammond they have 100x odds, but you can usually find a $10 table, and even $5 tables.

Craps Basics: Pass/Don't Pass Bets

The long, curving section along the edge of the table closest to where the players stand is called the Pass Line.

'Pass Line' Bets

The most basic craps bet is the Pass Line bet. When you place a Pass Line bet, you're betting with the dice. In other words, you're betting that the either a 7 or an 11 will be the first number rolled (called the 'come out' roll). If this happens, you double your money right away. If a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10 is rolled, this establishes a 'point.' When a point is set, you want that number to be rolled again, before a 7 is rolled (when the shooter 'sevens out'). If the shooter rolls the point before he rolls a 7, you double your money.

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Why
It depends on what you consider 'better,' minimizing expected loss or lessening the volitility to your bankroll.
'You don't bring a bone saw to a negotiation.' - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
odiousgambit
Do not exceed a bet size that you are not comfortable with just in order to max the odds. Take the size bet you like and maximize the odds portion. Two different concepts, one makes sense, the other can become crazy.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: 'Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!' She is, after all, stone deaf. .. Arnold Snyder
100xOdds

I play at a casino that allows 100X odds. Is it better to try to maximize the pass line odds or make new come bets on every roll and back them up with odds?


math says betting max odds before adding a come bet is better.
for me, I like action. I plan my bankroll for 6 come bets with whatever odds my bankroll dictates.
I start with 3 point Betty. then add come bets till it's continuous come if I'm hitting.
then increase odds if not maxxed. if maxxed, then increase flat bet + odds.
basically, whichever you're having the most fun with.
btw- where/which casino is this?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
kg1980

math says betting max odds before adding a come bet is better.
for me, I like action. I plan my bankroll for 6 come bets with whatever odds my bankroll dictates.
I start with 3 point Betty. then add come bets till it's continuous come if I'm hitting.
then increase odds if not maxxed. if maxxed, then increase flat bet + odds.
basically, whichever you're having the most fun with.
btw- where/which casino is this?


This is at Rivers Casino outside Chicago by Ohare airport. The minimum bets are a bit high $15-$25. So maximizing the odds is not really an option for my bankroll. So it sounds like backing up the Pass line with as much odds as you can afford is the best strategy, but placing come bets might be more fun.
Romes

This is at Rivers Casino outside Chicago by Ohare airport. The minimum bets are a bit high $15-$25. So maximizing the odds is not really an option for my bankroll. So it sounds like backing up the Pass line with as much odds as you can afford is the best strategy, but placing come bets might be more fun.

No Pass Line Craps

'Technically' since the Don't Pass has a smaller house edge (1.36% vs Pass 1.41%) it's 'best' to do the Don't Pass with as much odds as you're comfortable with.. =). You don't always have to bet on 'red' on roulette, and you don't always have to play the Pass Line in craps. But in reality whichever side you want to play it's practically the same. I personally like to play a line bet + 2 more (either Come or DC) with odds, but craps is a game you can play 100 different negative ways =P.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
WatchMeWin
Playing for a long period of time is certainly a negative EV in craps an all other table games except card counting in bj. Playing the pass line is not a good bet in my opinion.. stacking large odds behind is the casino's way to lure you into a losing bet. You will have to make a number twice before a 7, which probabilities are not in your favor. If you want to put large bets on a roll of the dice you can just put that same amount on a place bet and take it down any time you like. That is your edge. sure you will get paid a tad bit less, but at least you have the control as to when you want to stop working. 6/5 rather than 7/6 on the 6 n 8 is hardly a difference maker.. especially when it is more improbable of an outcome.. same with the 4,5,9, n 10.
If everyone would just play the numbers and walk away after they hit 2 boxes.. the casinos would not be as profitable. but 99% of gamblers at the casinos have unrealistic expectations and can't / don't leave once they have a small profit. Everyone wants that 5000% return.. not happening consistently, frequently, nor realistically . Hit n run is the way to walk away a winner.
kg1980
I agree with the walking way part. Place bets however have much worse odds than an odds bet even if it is a 3-5X odds. Maybe I am wrong. It does sound more fun than waiting for the point number to hit
pwcrabb
Thanks for this post from:
When played without Odds, both Pass and Come suffer a disadvantage of 1.414141.. percent. Because they are close approximations of a coin toss, the variance on both Pass and Come is similarly low. Therefore, if you played 'naked' with only relatively small bets on Pass and Come, every single roll, then you could play for a very long time and go approximately nowhere.
In contrast, Odds bets have a higher variance. Increasing the Odds portion of your total game will increase the total variance as well. At very high Odds multiples, the variance will be very high as well, despite the negligible house advantage of the combined bets.
There are very good theoretical reasons for playing simply Single Odds. You take a significant bite out of the overall casino advantage, dropping it from 1.41 percent to 0.86 percent. Your variance increases but not as drastically as at higher Odds multiples. Most importantly, at Single Odds your expected revenue profile for each of the possible numbers will closely reflect the probability distribution of those numbers. In short, the expected relative revenue contribution from the Naturals will be neither understated nor overstated.
At Single Odds, your expected exposure per Flat bet increases from one unit to 1.67 units, so keep your unit size small relative to your table stake. As a rule of thumb, you will be safe from variance risk if your Flat bets are one percent of your table stake. At three percent, you are pushing the envelope. At five percent, you had better be lucky quickly.
'I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.' Fitz-James O'Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)
jmills
That's great advice. I'll just add that if you go to the Horseshoe in Hammond they have 100x odds, but you can usually find a $10 table, and even $5 tables.

Craps Basics: Pass/Don't Pass Bets

The long, curving section along the edge of the table closest to where the players stand is called the Pass Line.

'Pass Line' Bets

The most basic craps bet is the Pass Line bet. When you place a Pass Line bet, you're betting with the dice. In other words, you're betting that the either a 7 or an 11 will be the first number rolled (called the 'come out' roll). If this happens, you double your money right away. If a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10 is rolled, this establishes a 'point.' When a point is set, you want that number to be rolled again, before a 7 is rolled (when the shooter 'sevens out'). If the shooter rolls the point before he rolls a 7, you double your money.

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If the number rolled on the come out roll is a 2, 3, or 12 (called Craps), you lose. If, after a point is established, a 7 is rolled before the point number is rolled again, you also lose.

'Don't Pass' Bets

Placing a Pass Line bet is betting with the dice, and placing a Don't Pass bet is betting against the dice. Pass Line bets are also said to be 'betting right,' while Don't Pass bets are said to be 'betting wrong.' (Not that either is any better or worse a bet than the other -- this is just craps jargon.) Don't Pass bets are just the opposite of Pass Line bets. Rather than hoping for a 7 or an 11 on the come out roll, you're hoping for a 2, 3, or 12 (the losing roll of Pass Line bets). A 2, 3, or 12 will double your money on a come out roll if you've placed a Don't Pass bet. When a point is established, rather than hoping that the point number will be rolled again before the 7 shows up, you're hoping that the point won't be rolled again before the 7 shows up -- if the 7 comes first, you win.





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